Oliver’s Twist

A tax loophole is “something that benefits the other guy. If it benefits you, it is tax reform.” — Russell B. Long, U.S. Senator

“Tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf.” — Will Rogers, humorist

Facts about the Tax!

While discussing the proposed tax increase with my fellow members of the Armadillo Hat Club (AHC), we have been perplexed by the statement from our Chairman, Tom Oliver, when he said “this increase would cost me 28 cents a day or $101.50.”   It just doesn’t seem possible that his tax burden would be that light.  I could have sworn that he owned most of the property along Oliver road.  So, I must apologize, but this research took a couple of days and it came courtesy of the Gainesville/Hall County GIS system:

Owner

Tax ID

Land Size (Acres)

Property Value

Consv Use

Total Tax

Oliver, Thomas D

5466 OLIVER ROADBottom of Form

90.63

$931,240.00

y

$510.10

Oliver Family Investments

5400 Oliver Rd

169.5

$1,678,509.00

y

$1,104.91

Chestnut Mt Egg Farm

5351 Union Church Rd

112.99

$1,323,252.00

y

$570.39

Chestnut Mt Egg Farm

0 Oliver Rd

176.77

$1,625,512.00

y

$1,048.50

Chestnut Mt Egg Farm

0 Oliver Rd

2.32

$41,567.00

n

$493.24

Chestnut Mt Egg Farm

5061 Oliver Rd

45.55

$705,548.00

y

$244.84

Oliver Family Investments

4806 Oliver Rd

121.43

$1,718,006.00

y

$1,106.70

Chestnut Mt Egg Farm

4908 Oliver Rd

1.22

$30,275.00

n

$295.85

Chestnut Mt Egg Farm

4920 Oliver Rd

1.24

$43,772.00

n

$477.75

Oliver Familly Investments

4823 Winder Hwy

0.81

$123,297.00

n

$1,204.86

Oliver, Thomas D

4450 Shellie Ln

$146,493.00

n

$1,431.52

$8,367,471.00

$8,488.66

So, the Chairman owns ~$8.3m worth of property for and pays about $8,500 in taxes.  I own a little house in South Hall now worth $375,000.  Last year I paid $4,002.74 for a house valued at $409k.  So, let me see, last year the Chairman owned 20x more property than me, but only paid 2.12x more taxes.  Well, now I can see why he is o.k. with a tax increase because, relatively speaking, he would pay 18x less than me!

Basically, using the Chairman’s math his $101 increase would mean about $1,800 to me.  It is good to know that in the land of the free, people like the Chairman would be brave enough to ask me to give more while most of his property is protected by placing his land in conservation.

Hugh Hall County Akston

  5 comments for “Oliver’s Twist

  1. Slipknot
    June 7, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Interesting numbers to be sure, but let’s focus on the real problem at hand…. preserving services for the “average” taxpayer.

    Things we can agree on:
    1) Nobody wants to pay more tax.
    2) The millage rate for general operations have not seen an increase in 12-15 years, although the County has continued to provide services during the decade-long growth (particularly in South Hall).

    Things for dispute:
    1) For the “average” taxpayer to refuse $8/mo. to preserve basic infrastucture is insanity. How many well-heeled anti-tax folks will show up Thursday holding a couple of $6.50 lattes from Starbucks?!? How many lower income anti-tax folks will show up after taking their kids to McDonalds for the 4th or 5th time this month?!? My point…. how about you skip one trip and help save some basic services? These folks ask for fiscal austerity in government but practice none at home. Wealthy, middle-income, poor… all buy lottery tickets, expensive drinks and eat fast-food. Is it really too much to ask to eliminate one trip?

    2) The employee exodus has begun at the County. These are people who represent the most-skilled and experienced because they have been able to find another position easily for more money, better benefits, or both. You tell us… what the hell does this County have to offer? Low pay, no raises or cost-of-living, no retirement, add’l furloughs and unpaid holidays…. tired of being beat like stray dogs while the taxpayers scream for more/better services and lower taxes?!? This insanity is going to cut basic services and leave the remaining in the hands of a bunch of low-paid, inexperienced fresh faces who have no knowledge of past operations/history and, upon seeing what they just hired into, will be looking for another job. Retention rates and turnover will be horrendous and prolonged. Now, what kind of service do you think you’ll get next time?!?

    3) Residential population drives everything. If people move here, businesses (and their jobs) will come. Tax revenues will go up by sheer numbers. No parks or libraries, higher fire insurance rates, poor services…. who the hell wants to live here? Oh, but wait…. low taxes…. gee, that’ll bring ’em running. I suspect the increase in fire insurance will far surpass the $8/mo. needed to keep things stable.

    Ignorance and lack of foresight are going to damage this County for 7-10 years. I am astounded by the sheer stupidity of what’s happening. My resume is out there and I’m thinking Cleveland is a nice place to consider moving. This county is going to be turned into a 3rd world county. The red colored shirts may become the unintentional symbol of what is to come….. the blood will be on the electorates’ hands. So be it. Light the torches!

    ….. but nobody wants to hear a single peep from you when you start calling for help from the bottom of a smoking crater.

    • Hugh Akston
      June 9, 2011 at 3:47 pm

      Great comments. I don’t agree with you completely. Gwinnett County offers some of the best services around and people are leaving as soon as their homes are foreclosed on. I heard the Chairman on CBS yesterday say that business wouldn’t come because of quality of life issues. I can tell you as a former business owner, I was concerned about the bottom line. The education of the people had a greater impact on my decisions than parks are rec or libraries.

      Thanks for reading and commenting.

  2. NotFromTheseParts
    June 7, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    The citizens screamed and sued until they got their library moved. They got what they wanted, and now the citizens refuse a tax increase. They will get what they want. I say let them get what they deserve, nothing for nothing.

  3. Dagny
    June 9, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    If Big Tom feels so strongly about paying more than perhaps he should start with paying his fair share. He is paying less than $13 per acre per year! What a deal Tommy Boy!

    BTW – the millage has not gone up because they chose to over value our property every year (except for Tom’s) so the commisioners would not have to raise the mills but more money would be coming in.

  4. A Jackson
    June 11, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Like many, if further hardships are put on County employees I will have no choice but to leave. I will pay my Hall county property and tag taxes online while I’m gone. Iraq and Afghanistan are in need of contract fire and police workers APPLY ONLINE TODAY

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